When Titanfall was released I thought finally a FPS that may eliminate camping. Well five days later my hopes of that were easily destroyed. I mainly play objective games like Hardpoint. Now I hate comparing any game to COD but Black Ops 2 did it right. It rewarded you by playing the obj, with higher points. Titanfall rewards you for sitting on your A,B,C point, with giving you 75points for holding it. So 75 doesnt seem like alot I understand that. But 75points sitting on a flag and not playing the game adds up. I can have the highest KD in my match and the highest offensive points by getting each hardpoint. But that one guy sitting on that hardpoint the whole match will be at the top of the leader board with 1 kill and 10deaths and under 100 points offense. I just feel ppl playing your game, TRYING to win should be rewarded, not ppl sitting on a flag. MVP means most valuable player. You're telling me that guy sitting on the hardpoint is that guy?????
Agreed. You get mad points for defense. It's not that you get less offense points for attacking objectives, but the whole time you're TRAVELING to the objectives you're not getting points. To balance it they should make it so that capturing objectives gives somewhat more points than simple defense. And yes, campers are frustrating. It's funny, you would think with the amazing mobility and agility of the pilots people would play the game properly and actually run around the map engaging each other. I mean, FFS you have a jump pack and can WALLRUN! Sadly though, many people still play the game like it's COD, camping a room, corner or rooftop and gunning you down without a fight. Unfortunately, such behavior is rewarded. There are perks to see through walls as well as to turn invisible. There are burn cards that give you these abilities PERMANENTLY. Why fight honorably when you can just toss a satchel charge in a doorway and wait for the enemies whom you can see through the walls to run by it? Or hide cloaked in a corner of a room where the hard point capture point is and gun down any poor bastard who enters? If you're feeling extra shameless, use the smart pistol; this wau you don't even have to aim! They won't be able to handle your swag.... And while you're doing all of this, you're earning points like crazy specifically for camping the objective. What a shame.
That's my point exactly. This is a new game with new added features. Wall running, double jumps, and being able to jump on roofs. But we sit in a corner waiting for someone to walk into our sites. Old habits never die I guess
Does hanging on the wall in a corner count?? J/k I know people always find ways to to cheese out and camp. There is no escaping it.
Copied and pasted from your other thread: Hi and welcome. Read: "Unofficial Titanfall Forum" (i.e. unlikely to be seen by Vince and the Respawn crew) As with above, if those are suggestions, head over to the Respawn forums or Twitter - the team there are tops Holding/defending an objective does not equal camping. Pitching a tent around a corner to farm for kills does. Holding a Hardpoint? No. Yes, if that guy is effectively keeping out of enemy hands, why not? If the other team is having trouble ousting that guyhe sure as hell is doing his job. This is coming from someone that goes for the captures the majority of the time. I can understand and appreciate the benefit ofthat guy that holds the objective for the team. I guess you can sort of ignore those first two points.
Its generally a good idea to toss a 'nade in the room BEFORE you rush into re-cap .............otherwise............ Made a few kills this way. The arc mines are fairly effective in entrances too. For myself, I like that I get a LOT of points for defense and taking points and NOT just kills. I do not make many kills and this keeps me competitive and leveling up. I know that the game play is NOT perfect.............but it's close
That's not camping, that's guarding. Props to the developers for giving points to people for guarding a hardpoint. However, I agree that the points given should be lowered. You're out there busting your butt while Joe Schmo is sitting around guarding an empty base, and then he ends up with more points than you? Annoying.
Yeah I totally agree with @RayFromJersey. Staying in one spot and taking potshots at anyone who walks by on modes that are about kills like Attrition is camping, but if you're staying behind to guard a flag or a hardpoint you're performing a very important function, going from someone like a scout to someone like an engineer (if you'll forgive the TF2 reference) The tools are there, spectres, auto titans, mines, etc. to become more of an area denial specialist Likewise there are ways to counter this, the shotgun, cloak, triple threat and grenades allow other specialists to clear rooms easily In the end it all adds to the tactical depth of the game
The points they get for defending don't actually count towards winning or losing- it's just for their experience and the sake of leveling up. You only mean "rewarding" by allowing players to gain XP. This is not some kind of easily abusable strategy that is key to winning Hard Point. The only real contribution is preventing the other team from getting that point- awarding the player points is just their attempt at assigning this abstract act an actual value.
Agreed, BO2 really did do things rights. Unfortunately you're always going to have that one stationary camper.
I say it's camping over defending. Defending would be staying around the objective and killing people running towards it. Sitting in a corner with camo and mines placed is camping. I don't think there should be any reward for camping the hardpoint or at least make it twice as less and frequent. Oh well, you honestly get crap xp for it. So the idiots who do it are just wasting their time and ruining the game for themselves.
Speak of the devil.... I just played a match of Hardpoint and the highest scoring person had over 3k in defense points, and absolutely zero points for attacking. No exaggeration either, his attack score was 0 and the defense score was over 3k. I didn't notice his pilot kills tho
I've seen the same but with 0 kills and 10 deaths. An absolute useless person. MVP. Needs to be fixed asap.
Exactly why I stay away from Hardpoint. Camping is something you're SUPPOSED to do. Gotta guard to get that sweet sweet +75 S'why I play attrition. My objective is to kill everything I see. I play the SHIT out of that objective.
Yeah see, that's a whole other ballgame. That guy didn't even bother helping cap the first objective? lol
Well IMO in a game of hardpoint or capture the flag, the defense is as important as the attack. so its perfectly valid to focus on defending a spot. If your defense was effective, I can't see the problem on that guy earning MVP.
If one guy can keep a hardpoint for most of the game, then the remaining 5 people only have to worry about 2 hardpoints. If just 2 people can lock down 2 hardpoints for the entire game, the game is won. Would you rather everyone ran around attacking and trading hardpoints? If you don't want to be a defender, be an attacker.
Indeed im one of those guys that actively defends a Hardpoint because the rest of my team don't bother defending the point and we end up losing all three points and lose via a landslide, So i do my bit and defend my Hardpoint until another friendly shows up and then i'll run to the next available point and defend that one. If you want running around and gunning down other players with an objective maybe Capture The Flag might be what your looking for.
I don't think OP is complaining about defending(well) as much as useless camping. 0 attack points, 3k defend points, 2 kills 5 deaths. That person was useless and didn't help the team the entire game. He weakened the team by doing nothing but "defending"(camping). With how fast-paced this game is proper defending is very useful. Sitting on A the entire game on Fracture and racking up 3500 defend points and a whopping 1 kill with no attack points is NOT useful. While real defenders deserve the xp, there are far more useless mongs getting free xp while hurting the team they are on. @Clarkeh people defend in CTF more than hardpoint so. I think pilot only is the real only no camping mode, from what I've played of it. I far prefer hardpoint though.