It's time we had THAT talk about the Carbine.

The problem I seem to have is with Folk using the Halo sight & Silencer & my Shot Gun is not even good enough when we are 5ft apart! Which is where the Shotgun should work its BEST but.... of course not! Also Silencer that there's NO RECOIL whatsoever in the Killcams!! Annoying AF!

 

^Actually, the silencers in CoD don't technically reduce damage, just range. However, depending on how far you are, range has a direct effect on your damage. So ultimately yes, a silencer could make a gun go from say, 3 shots up to 4 shots to kill at the same range, however as long as the range category isn't bumped up, no damage penalty is taken. For example, if a CoD gun does full damage out to 50 meters, and the silencer makes the range take a 10 meter penalty, you're still doing full damage within 40 meters.

I haven't noticed the carbine being too ridiculous lately. Why isn't there a voting option for nerfing only the damage? Why not lead the low recoil alone, and pick on the damage? It's an AR.

For me, the pistols, especially the semi, is a little too weak for my taste.

 

THAT talk about a carbine?

Well... You see... When a Rifle and SMG love each other very much...

But in all seriousness, yeah, the Carbine is juuuust a bit too good with the silencer. Not OP, but it just makes it pointless to use certain other weapons.

Any one of those suggestions sound reasonable- preferrably I'd like to see range reduced, so damage degredation happens at a slightly closer range than before.

I would not like to see it removed from the weapon entirely- it should be an added layer of depth to the game in choosing weapon attachment. But as of now, there's really no reason to not use the silencer, as the drawbacks are so minimal and the benefits are quite huge. This takes away from the depth of choosing weapon loadout.

 

I would rather buff weapons like the G2/R97 instead of nerfing the Carbine, even with the supressor, nothing about it screams game breaking at me. Part of the problem though is that the overly mobile dynamic really screws anything meant for longer range. The Snipers in this game are nearly pointless and even the g2 courts that line

 

I agree with most of that. I use the G2 more than anything else in this game and it MUCH more difficult to use ANYTHING but the carbine. It's really annoying trying to not use that OP SOB when EVERYBODY uses it. At range, I'm more likely to take a half magazine before I can hit him three times. There's NO recoil, insane damage, great fire rate, and no downside. I will probably never play with it for these reasons, but it'd be nice to still have a chance. Every game, all I see are carbines. No variety. Just campers and a single mindset about K/D.

 

I've been rather underwhelmed by it myself - but I'm more of a mid-close range fighter. It's probably just a play preference.

 

I don't even use a silencer now. I was getting punished by people who were using the carbine without it. My favorite gun now is the car smg! Without a silencer, that thing is beast!

 

Can't stand the carbine sick of everyone using it, they can nerf the hell out of that weapon or get rid of it completely and I wouldn't bat an eyelash

 

Truth be told the carbine doesn't stand a chance against the c.a.r. smg in short to medium range. I think the guns are well balanced, it's just not enough of them.

 

This guy nailed it, hardly use the Carbine and stick with CAR + Counterweight + Run n Gun Kit.

 

I think its pretty fair with a suppressor, that damage reduction has got me murdered plenty of times. The real deal best weapon in the game is the spitfire LMG that thing is a titan killer and a room clearer, i have gotten a triple kill against carbine users before. The clips so big that if they start jumping around never let go of that trigger

 

I don't think anyone would debate the carbine loses to SMG at close range.

It certainly doesn't beat my shotty (who I call "Ms. Eva").

Though most feel it's reductive in that it outclasses the G2A4, and makes it pretty much almost useless to pick that over a Carbine.

The Carbine could be kept perfectly intact, if perhaps the G2A4 was brought up to speed so it was a viable competitor to it as a long range non-sniper weapon.

The biggest issue I see, is the G2A4 takes a damage penalty at a SHORTER range than the Carbine.

It's a pretty big issue, because the G2A4's strength is it excels at killing when you can get a headshot. In every other situation, the Carbine kills faster. However, the G2A4 only gets a 1-hit kill for the headshot at close range, which is ok, but the definition of "close range" for the G2A4 seems to be significantly less than the "close range" for the Carbine- and this doesn't really make sense.

If the G2A4 wasn't out-ranged by the carbine, this really wouldn't be a problem

 

Whilst I'd agree that the R-101C is over-used, I'd put this down to the limited number of weapons in the game and automatic rifles being the bread and butter of any online shooter - there should be no suprise with this, it's the only automatic AR. There is a burst AR and a Semi-Auto.

If there were more weapons, specifically more automatic AR's, I'm convinced that the R-101C would not be as common.

I personally do not think there is anything wrong with it - with the suppressor the gun drops to a 5-6HK, and under sustained fire, despite the insistence that there is no recoil, the gun suffers from wobble. It is no ACR by any means. Yeah, I'm adept at burst firing, and recoil control, but the truth is the gun is not a laser across the expanse that these maps see engagements on (I have above 30% accuracy with it and a 2.9 Pilot KD - multiple 100+ Attrititon games (I Play solo), so I'm not speaking from a corner, wall-hanging whilst cloaked).

I do not think that the R-101C is responsible for making the G2 redundant - I think the G2 is redundant because the style of play required to properly own with a semi-auto at the best of times is not suited to jet-packing and wall-running whilst facing enemies that are doing exactly the same thing. I also think, theoretically, the damage numbers for the G2 are balanced, but, the nature of the game is what puts the gun out of balance. I just don't think there is an 'effective' role for this type of weapon in Titanfall - I like semi-auto's too (I believe one of my first posts on here in the 'anticipation thread' states that I could not wait to use the G2A4 more than anything)

I think adding more weapons pack drops (each pack contains a weapon from each class: AR, SMG, Shotty, LMG) is the answer rather than destroying what we have now.

I think the silenced R-101C is fine. It will lose at close range to the weapons it should lose to aswell as unsilenced R-101C's at all range unless you blindside the enemy. It stands a chance, as AR's should.

I think snipers and semi-autos just don't work - one can make them work, but will have to sacrifice use of the intended mechanics (parkouring) to do so, and even so -I'm of the opinion that if the user does not parkour, they cannot stop their enemies from parkouring - the inability to spray is a massive disadvantage simply put.

If there are exceptionally gifted palyers out their (or modded controller users) that can make the G2A4 work - then power to them, because it's not easy, and I'd consider my trigger finger to be fast and consider myself an accurate shot too.

Just a closing thought; perhaps the optical choices for the R-101C could have been more suited to closer ranged engagements? I think the HCOG is fine (and not especially clear if I'm honest), and that the AOG is also a good sight for long-range with the compromise of less peripheral vision.

The Holosight however is straight up OP on the R-101C - the cleanest sight, very clean reticle, maximum peripheral vision, and the perfect zoom level for the maps and engagements in TF.

It's like the equivalent of a COD red-dot, the difference is that the increased zoom caters to TF maps. So although it's technically a COD Holographic/EOTech, it offers the benefits of a Red Dot and Holographic without the drawbacks. There really is no disadvantage to using it and really no reason not to use it in favour of other sights IMPO.

My game improved massively after switching from HCOG to Holosight.

Edit: Sorry to reference COD.

 

Not gonna quote since it was rather lengthy, but @A.C raises some good points. Actually a lot of what people here have put forward are nice solutions to consider.

My thoughts (being an avid G2A4 user) regarding the Carbine is that is should have some adjustments to its properties. I don't want an outright damage nerf as I do still feel that the balance between weapons in this game is far more in tune than others.

My suggestion would be to increase the damage penalty going out to longer ranges - this is, after all, a carbine and not an assault rifle. Going by history and flavour alone, carbines were developed to be the intermediate option between a full-fledged AR and an SMG.

The other adjustment I would make is to increase that range penalty even further when using the silencer. Referencing real-world situations again, silencers are generally used with subsonic ammunition - so to make this work, the actual ammo being used by the carbine should reflect that; and in that way the damage-over-range should drop off significantly.

For an intermediate option, maybe include a flash hider for the R-101C, with less damage drop off than the silencer and reduced muzzle flash, but doesn't prevent mini-map pings.

Agreed also regarding the points made about the Holosight. There's just no drawback to using that sight. Maybe a slightly longer ADS time when equipped could rectify that.

EDIT/ADDITION: I don't want a damage buff for the G2 either. While it's my most used weapon (and a pretty hard one to use effectively), a damage buff would just render the already-almost-useless DMR even more useless.

 

Solid point regarding the differences between a fully-fledged AR and a Carbine - noted.

In theory, range drop-off compensating for the suppressor is an effective way to balance the system, but in practice, I'm not sure how balanced requiring upto 7 shots to kill is.

That's why I think 4-5 or 5-6 is a decent trade-off and that the Carbine should remain as is and that the soluution is additional weapons drops for everyone (not released as paid-DLC).

Perhaps a reduction in fire-rate, but then the weapon loses balance with SMG's at ranges it should be superior in?